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Title: World Tournament Final Results


Zombo - June 16, 2007 10:25 PM (GMT)
As per announced in the podcast, by Crash himself,

KTH is the winner of the World Tournament.

Congratulations to him and Eriror for a nice tournament.

Eriror: 32 32 36 38 29 37 = 204
kth: 34 34 32 37 36 36 = 209

Rest of the results will follow.

merajj - June 16, 2007 10:40 PM (GMT)
:o

FlyinAsian - June 16, 2007 11:27 PM (GMT)
noooooooooooooooooooo Errior!@!@!@

Congrats KTH

K4S - June 16, 2007 11:45 PM (GMT)
Congrats to everyone is the top 5 in the WT. It's a shame Eriror didnt take gold but really...top 2 in the world...cant be too upset about that ^_^

Zombo - June 16, 2007 11:45 PM (GMT)
1. KTH
2. Eriror
3. Fratleym
4. Banz
5. ps-728

Webo Splash - June 16, 2007 11:48 PM (GMT)
Ayy good try Eriror. Dont worry about losing because in my eyes you experienced somewhat a life changing moment. You lasted until the finals and ALL of us should be grateful to have a legend spinning before us. You gave it your all and you are a winner. You dont need scores to tell you that. So I say congrats Eriror for being our UCPSB champion

CrAsH - June 16, 2007 11:53 PM (GMT)
Im with Zombo, congratulations to both of you guys Eriror and KTH on a stunning world tournament, im sure i speak on behalf of everyone when i say you you really did provide us with emense pen spinning, which is thoroughyl enjoyed all over the boards.

Sathon - June 16, 2007 11:56 PM (GMT)
Congrats guys. Thanks for all the sweet combos.

Floating Duck - June 17, 2007 12:02 AM (GMT)
Congrats to everyone in the turnament.

Especially the top 5 :clap:

cadayday - June 17, 2007 12:22 AM (GMT)
aww Eriror you did so good tho lol congrats for second!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

blackhero - June 17, 2007 12:39 AM (GMT)
Congrats to everybody in top 5, especially Eriror and KTH!!




== just realized i missed the podcast agun!!! :banghead:

RandomNewb - June 17, 2007 12:54 AM (GMT)
haha kth won go koreans! :D

sorry eriror you repeat too much <_<

frisbee - June 17, 2007 12:55 AM (GMT)
Eriror should have won. I think this result actually makes me kind of mad <_<

Crzyazn - June 17, 2007 02:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (frisbee @ Jun 16 2007, 04:55 PM)
Eriror should have won. I think this result actually makes me kind of mad <_<

Eriror groupie :lol:

broken down, KTH just had a better combo (not to insult Eriror's awesome 2p2h :2p2h: )

frisbee - June 17, 2007 02:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Crzyazn @ Jun 17 2007, 02:46 AM)
QUOTE (frisbee @ Jun 16 2007, 04:55 PM)
Eriror should have won. I think this result actually makes me kind of mad  <_<

Eriror groupie :lol:

broken down, KTH just had a better combo (not to insult Eriror's awesome 2p2h :2p2h: )

Yeah im not an eriror groupie at all. I think he proved in every other round of the tournament that hes the best battling pen spinner in the world & decided to submit something new & exciting for the last round, which gives him a lot of credit for creativity that was not properly attributed to him, as well as difficulty, which again he didn't get enough credit for, because his combo was hard as hell; & overall I just think he submitted a better video than KTH.

zblader - June 17, 2007 03:09 AM (GMT)
Eriror, man, like I told you, you are a winner in our hearts. We are proud of your big achievement. Getting 2nd isn't easy, you know.. you are -> :vcool:.

KTH did a very good job. Congratulations to the winner. ^^.

Well, I wish I had done better in the first round. xD.

walkingjacket - June 17, 2007 03:57 AM (GMT)
Aww... I wish Eriror won D=.

It was nice to see something different from Eriror though =P.

faulk - June 17, 2007 04:14 AM (GMT)
Har har, I felt Eriror should have won. Hum, yea KTH took on dopamine and ayatori and whatnot, but winning against bonkura and cloudtraveler puts eriror pretty high up in my opinion. And KTH's combos are hard and difficult but looking at all of them, they seem very similar, lots of midbaks, tw sonic bust -> rev bak, and aerials..not to say that KTH isn't deserving the world title, but I'm more impressed by eriror who brought something new to his spinning in every round (changing lightning, 2p2h, etc) :banana:

InhumanElmo - June 17, 2007 04:27 AM (GMT)
wow what a jip... w/e its all good. Good job eriror reppin UCPSB!

Crzyazn - June 17, 2007 04:31 AM (GMT)
w/e

@frisbee:but bringing in his previous movies is kind of prejudicial isn't it?

Dark Angel-REX - June 17, 2007 05:33 AM (GMT)
What the fuck? Eriror's 2hps should have won. He should definitely should have full points for difficulty for spinning 2 hands + good combo.



KTH was good too, poor vid quality...too bright or too blurry

frisbee - June 17, 2007 05:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Crzyazn @ Jun 17 2007, 04:31 AM)
w/e

@frisbee:but bringing in his previous movies is kind of prejudicial isn't it?

Maybe, I just think it shows even greater creativity on his part to go to the extreme of learning 2p2h & debuting it for this combo. just that he never did it before, etc. On the podcast they said he ranked low in difficulty & creativity, thats my main issue, because it's obviously bullshit. Maybe 2p2h is more common in asian boards or something, idk...

Eriror - June 17, 2007 06:18 AM (GMT)
No, the low creativity and difficulty was because the judge was pretty good in 2p2h himself.

QUOTE (randomnewb)
sorry eriror you repeat too much


Okay, you obviously have no idea what the **** you're talking about. Look at ALL of KTH's combos in this tournament and you'll see HE is the one to repeat himself.

Of course, I have nothing against KTH. He is a really good spinner. I'm more indignant against the judge who gave me that 29 points because he supposedly is 'so good at 2p2h'. I really want him to copy my combo if he's that good and my combo only deserves a 7 for difficulty. And oh my gawsh. I got an 8 for creativity! But look, KTH got that as well. KTH. 8 for creativity. What? What made his combo as creative as mine?

Still. Congratulations, KTH. I guess you deserved it.

Health - June 17, 2007 10:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (RandomNewb @ Jun 17 2007, 12:54 AM)
sorry eriror you repeat too much <_<

Uhhh...and KTH hasnt repeated anything at all? xD

Edit - Nvm, eriror posted way before me... i should check all posts before i post :P

Tim - June 17, 2007 11:42 AM (GMT)
Argggh! Eriror should you have won in my opinion, but you did a mighty good job and have obviously become better at spinning yourself through the process. You are the one of the best spinners in the world and have shown that to all boards by the way you spun through the tournament. You have an amazing talent, and have used that talent to the best of your abilities. Congratulations.

Well done KTH, great job on winning (you need a better camera though).

Kinda disappointed about Leo, his third round vid was amazing, best in the tourney but he didn't make it to the finals.

GPC-DontKnow - June 17, 2007 12:58 PM (GMT)
hmm it was very close...

but Erirorīs clip was very nice!



congratulations to all spinners! :spin:

@Tim
to the video from Leo ... By this video I became a big fan from leo!

Dark Angel-REX - June 17, 2007 01:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Eriror @ Jun 17 2007, 03:18 PM)
No, the low creativity and difficulty was because the judge was pretty good in 2p2h himself.

QUOTE (randomnewb)
sorry eriror you repeat too much


Okay, you obviously have no idea what the **** you're talking about. Look at ALL of KTH's combos in this tournament and you'll see HE is the one to repeat himself.

Of course, I have nothing against KTH. He is a really good spinner. I'm more indignant against the judge who gave me that 29 points because he supposedly is 'so good at 2p2h'. I really want him to copy my combo if he's that good and my combo only deserves a 7 for difficulty. And oh my gawsh. I got an 8 for creativity! But look, KTH got that as well. KTH. 8 for creativity. What? What made his combo as creative as mine?

Still. Congratulations, KTH. I guess you deserved it.

It's all right man, shit happens. I dont know how many times i said that to people.


Judges are really interesting.

usually, 1+1=2 right? but sometimes, for judges, 1+1 might equal 5 or 8 or whatever.



So u can't really say taht just because everyone thinks it's good combo doesen't mean you get high score for it.





dont worry.

Yoah - June 17, 2007 02:52 PM (GMT)
"go to the extreme of learning 2p2h"


"Judges are really interesting.
usually, 1+1=2 right? but sometimes, for judges, 1+1 might equal 5 or 8 or whatever."



Oh my god..!
How come people looks like this -> :pullhair: - because of this ending?

IMO both spinners combos throughout the entire tournament is repeating.

I think this last kick KTH made is stunning. I dont consider this tournament unfiar at all. In my eyes KTH's combo was slightly more creative, but not a lot.

No offense to Eriror, but 2h2p shouldn't make the score top if there is nothing special to show with it. Take it as an advice.

I am not a huge fan of this korean style, but i do like when people shows creativity with it.

And remember... A winner of this tournament gives a great proud title. It doesnt make the spinner more experienced. Keep your head up, and youre right to be proud of your skills Eriror!

fuzzyshan - June 17, 2007 03:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Eriror @ Jun 17 2007, 06:18 AM)
No, the low creativity and difficulty was because the judge was pretty good in 2p2h himself.

QUOTE (randomnewb)
sorry eriror you repeat too much


Okay, you obviously have no idea what the **** you're talking about. Look at ALL of KTH's combos in this tournament and you'll see HE is the one to repeat himself.

Of course, I have nothing against KTH. He is a really good spinner. I'm more indignant against the judge who gave me that 29 points because he supposedly is 'so good at 2p2h'. I really want him to copy my combo if he's that good and my combo only deserves a 7 for difficulty. And oh my gawsh. I got an 8 for creativity! But look, KTH got that as well. KTH. 8 for creativity. What? What made his combo as creative as mine?

Still. Congratulations, KTH. I guess you deserved it.

:emo:
that is so true.
we're with you Eriror
IMO the judge seems to be pretty biased. Still congrats KTH for winning.

Surge - June 17, 2007 04:07 PM (GMT)
Love KTH but the scores are rediculous.

lefty101 - June 17, 2007 04:33 PM (GMT)
i cannot belive it

eriror's was way better
2p2h owns

ShortAssassin - June 17, 2007 07:05 PM (GMT)
Wow, didn't see that coming. I personally liked KTH's combo better (MX love) but that was just my preference and I really doubted he would win. Sounds likes Eriror got cheated by a judge. Is there anywhere we can see the judges comments? I looked on the site but didn't see anything.

faulk - June 17, 2007 07:26 PM (GMT)
Lol, I don't want to give our special insert to KTH!! :pullhair:

Oh yea, and for people who say you have to do something creative w/ 2p2h...2p2h in itself is already unique and very difficult to execute, you should try doing it yourself.

And like I said before, don't think KTH's combo was very creative at all if you look at all his previous videos for the WT.

Eburt - June 17, 2007 07:49 PM (GMT)
You guys should really calm down a bit. I think almost everyone on UCPSB wanted Eriror to win, but accusing judges of throwing the scores is a little low isn't it? Everyone has different tastes, thats why there were so many judges. Maybe next time the top and bottom scores for each spinner can be dropped, like they do in the Olympics.

No matter what the outcome, you both did great. Congratulations to both, and Eriror, zblader is right, you are :vcool:

CrAsH - June 17, 2007 07:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (fuzzyshan @ Jun 17 2007, 03:31 PM)
IMO the judge seems to be pretty biased. Still congrats KTH for winning.

Well, all the judges are pen spinning experts in spinning, thy are all very experienced in pen spinning and they know their stuff well, and the reason i selected the judges myself was to prevent biasety, thats why i chose guys who i trust very much.

For the judge who gave Eriror that 29 score, he was perfectly placed to judge the videos, also his 2p2h spinning is also emense so he has a good eye for that type of thing.

With a world tournament, every board is going to have their own opinions on different spinning styles, thats the beauty of a world tournament, you get judged from many different spinning cultures (Experts in those spinning cultures).

I even said myself on air last night that i was very supprised by the result, but im not in any position to critise any of the judges scoring, as i am not a good spinner myself so i respect the judges scoring as they all know their spinning well, and i trust them very much.

I can assure you there was no biasty in any of the judges scoring, i know each of the judges very well and i trust them very much, i know they are not biased people.

Just want to let you know Eriror, if you haven't realised already, the korean spinners think "he's a monster", and im actually quoting here from the words of Nanna himself told me at the beginning of the tournament he said that to me about you. All teh boards have appreciated your spinning so much throughout the tournament, all the boards were shocked from what they saw. Being second out of all the spinners that started the tournament is an amazing acomplishement man well done.

I also want to say a big thanks to all of the participants who participated in the world tournament, it wasn't a tournament without the participants, all the boards have enjoyed watching all the pen spinning which was demonstrated in the tournament.

Yoah - June 17, 2007 07:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (faulk @ Jun 17 2007, 07:26 PM)

Oh yea, and for people who say you have to do something creative w/ 2p2h...2p2h in itself is already unique and very difficult to execute, you should try doing it yourself.

It is not uniqe to spin 2h2p because it is seldom used. A lot of people can do the 2h2p combo eriror did. Not that the combo is bad, but it wasnt worth doing compared to erirors other skills.

platypusvictim9 - June 17, 2007 11:56 PM (GMT)
Damn, It's a shame Eriror lost.....
Anyways congrats to everyone who participated in the tourny!!! :vhappy:
And congrats To KTH :vhappy:

And it sounds like the judge gave Eriror the low score only cause he's better at it then him. I mean I have no idea what really happened but thats what it sounds like to me from some posts. :dunno:

And I'd really like to see some one copy his 2p2h combo.

oh well what's done is done.

fitzgeraldhimself - June 18, 2007 12:00 AM (GMT)
ERIROR THE MONSTER!

AzNwAr3oR - June 18, 2007 03:32 AM (GMT)
=( NOOOOOOOOO!!! :banghead:
Sigh Congratulations to Kth...
Better luck next time Eriror eh? :dunno:

frisbee - June 18, 2007 03:44 AM (GMT)
I don't think anybody threw the tournament or anything like you said, eburt, and i think its great everything you say about eriror's impression overseas crash, it's all true. I just think the scores in creativity/difficulty were very biased & didn't consider past performance of the spinners... KTH submitted the same video as he did in every round, highly creative compared to many spamming korean spinners yes, but not for him. Eriror did something new, & definitely more creative & difficult than what he did earlier in the tournament. Even discrediting these facts I think eriror's video was just better than KTH's. I'm not being a fanboy or saying anything done was unfair, I just think its stupid the way it turned out...




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