I was thinking a bit that if you do twisted sonic to reverse backaround it looks very simmilar to twisted sonic bust. So can anyone tell me what should be the difference.

I'll make a vid so you'll tell me what im doing.

The push for the indexaround is not generated by your middle finger if you do a reverse backaround

it is a totally different combo. given that the sonic bust spins nearly at the tip of your index finger while the backaorund spins at the skin joint between fingers 1 and 2. Also, it is very distinguishable as your whole hand will rotate downwards when you doing a backaround as compared to the sonic bust.

Its pretty much the same as asking for the diffrence between a IA and a rev bak. One uses force generated from the fingers, another uses hand motion. An add-on to what dk said, doing an IA will spin the pen almost perpendicular to your index with no hand motion,, while a rev bak goes around the base of t1 with hand motion.

Ah, thanks.

Well here's a vid of me doing it.
twisted sonic, re. backaround.wmv

If you do a 'real' Twisted Sonic Bust, the IndexAround/Rev. BackAround is pushed by the force of the Twisted Sonic, so it's not a real push by the middle finger. I always do a small hand motion with the Twisted Sonic Bust, and fold my middle finger when I do it.

I thought the reverse backaround was the forward around. That would make cognative/common sense.

I was thinking the same thing.

yes, but it would create needless extra names. a trick should only stick to one name to prevent future confusion; since the backaround has been invented first, the reverse motion will just be called "backaroundreverse "

one common trick that has two names is the gunman/neosonic
too many people to count have asked about the difference-- there is none. This kind of confusion is avoided if each trick has a unique name
-Ko

Can someone already look at my vid? <_<

It's not necessarily the same case though. but to each their own. I will only refer to it as the forward around since saying reverse backaround reminds me of the double negative rule.

Back in Backaround means the back of your hand.
Inverse Backaround is a Frontaround.

Ivan, I think you're using too much wrist motion in your twisted sonic --> indexaround, so you are getting confused with rev bak and indexaround

um, im treying to do twisted donic -> reverse backaround ;)

my first post pretty much sums it up

try not to push with your middle finger after the twisted sonic to do a twisted sonic --> rev bak

Can someone give me a video of it? I'm want to check im doing it right. :rolleyes:

The second trick in the second Troposphere promo video is a backaround reverse 1.5.

http://www.geocities.jp/thetroposphere/videos_special.html - The video can be downloaded there.

and i just found a video of a backaround reverse here:

http://worldmacker.free.fr/pens.html

Heres a video I shot a while back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFpvOzv1N4
Hope that helps.

I have a question about bak rev. I can do different vatiation of this:
1. starting like half tap and catch in starting position of normal bak. So index finger moving very small.
2. starting like simple IA normal and catch in starting position of normal bak. Index moving more than in 1 var.
3. index finger not movng, i move my hand to start bak rev and catch in starting position of normal bak.

Is all this variations right or not?

Only the third description is correct.
Bear in mind that BackAround is done with the twist of the hand/wrist, so the reverse variation should also be done that way.

All can be called tricks but the third one is the proper one.

Is the twist of that hand that is used to start a bak rev sort of a cw motion as well as pulling it in towards the body, for right handed people?

Heres how you do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFpvOzv1N4

But #2 sounds like a rev IA.

First variation is a Fake IndexSpin.
Second variation is an IndexAround/Spin.

Is the first trick in this bak reverse?

Youtube