Asian Tim: http://media.putfile.com/Ladder-Asian-Tim-Vs-Rookee
Rookee: http://media.putfile.com/I-AM-THE-AMERICAN-JESUS

tbh I thought Asian Tim released another subpar video although it was extremely smooth and the indexaround part was sweet. I love rookee's invisible trick though.

Makes the pen pop out of nowhere.

i voted for asian tim
his combo was more difficult and extremely smooth
only thing i didn't really like was the ending
but i think it was much better overall video than rookees
as for rookees i thought it was ok nothing that was too hard though
kinda average nothing really special.

I voted Rookee....

Asian Tim's was just more of the same.... i guess it's like Eriror, in the beginning his style was new and amazing and everyone loved it, then it got kinda repetative and old .... he (like Eriror did) probably needs to revamp and do something new or something, because im kinda growing bored of it <_<

Voted for Rookee. As Zombo said, I felt that AT could have put out a much better video. Unlike Strat, I still find your spinning fun to watch AT, but this video wasn't as impressive as yours usually are.

i voted for Asian tim...i like his skill very much :rolleyes:

I voted Rookee. I love you endless I-sonics, you've got really good at it. But i hope to see more variations in the future.

I'd love a breakdown of Tim's Combo....I'm dying to know what all those finger movements are(even though I recognized a bit)

Personally I don't know what is hard about AT's combo. Can someone please explain?

UCPSB's inexplicable as always.
A lot of people vote for korean style vids just because they like that style. Not necessarily because of the vids.

The one downfall of public voting.

for one time, I thinnk rookee's combo catch my eye a bit, I mean the linking to the I thing was smooth and nice even if I'd rather like AT combo because of the style, I can decently admit that you represent well your style here Rookee.

hum it's like falling in the endless conversation about the style. I just think that AT's combo was not that hard too but doing it the way he did is not that easy, it's real smooth and we don't feel that it was hard for him to do the video, I feel it much with you rookee.

If you think his combo is not hard, just do it the same way with the same smoothness, it's truly hard no offense to you...

Are you guys joking or what? Do you seriously devote yourself to learning really hard tricks just to jack off all over each others "upsb style" & talk shit on somebody who can do intermediate to difficult tricks effortlessly & smoothly?

If you want to talk about asian tim's combo, say something real, about how the ending was sort of weak, or the combo could have used a bit more variety.

At what point does a combo become useless korean spam to you people? For months i've seen people say things like "Korean combos are spamming fast tricks, abusing charge, pass & sonic families heavily." Now a combo based on mainly around tricks is labeled the same way. I guess the FOUR MAIN FAMILIES OF PS just aren't enough anymore. You have to include an isonic, palmspin, triangle pass, or some variation of bakfall for any kind of originality, whether or not they're actually original or not. OOOH, an invisible trick, wow, how creative, I wonder when somebody did that first? Oh wait, its on fucking pentrix, & has been for what, like 5 fucking years?

@Yoah: Since ucpsb is so inexplicable, let me explain why i voted for asian tim to you! I voted for him BECAUSE HIS COMBO WAS BETTER. Yes, I liked it better; I know its stunning, after all, what was so special about it? Jeez, there was no gimmick at all. I must be a fool for thinking that he's better than the almighty lordbojo. It must just be because im a sucker for that korean style spinning. I'm just another idiot who isnt enlightened into the world of true creative ps.

Frisbee I don't think anyone was trying to insult Asian Tim. It was more that his video for this battle isn't the same quality pen spinning he usually produces. AT is a great spinner and we all know that. Nobody said anything about UPSB vs Korean style either, I don't understand where your rant is coming from.

I didnt say anybody was trying to insult asian tim. This anti-"korean" sentiment constantly comes out in underhanded little comments like the ones being made in this thread, like where Yoah insulted everyone who voted for AT, & i dont know how you can't see it.

I remember when bojo lost to the 000. It was the same bullshit. The only time you ever see people complaining over the result of a battle is when some UPSB style spinner loses.

Ok, now shut the fuck up.

I simply asked why is it so hard. I didn't say why is korean style so fuckin' typical.

Yes, I do learn really hard tricks, and creative ones at that. If you're gonna do the same tricks over and over, and make millions of combos with the same shit in it, why don't you just make 1 video, and just keep posting that video forever?

And, no I-BackAround was never seen before, so you can go shove your "ITS BEEN OUT FOR 5 YEARS NIGGA" up your ass. You've now said it yourself, that this Korean shit isn't creative, yet you continue to do the same things, and expect our style to not hate yours. It's just a world of people not being able to be themselves any more, not being able to think of their own shit. No one really believes that there could be new tricks made anymore, yet we don't even fuckin' try. We just sit there mocking others thinking their views are fucked, and making new shit isn't cool.

Anyways, I'm done with ladder. Go take those frisbees out of your ass, maybe you'll think clearer.

Oh no please dont quit ladder! I want to see whats coming after your "i-backaround" sooooo badly!

You, sir, are an idiot. And you need to calm down.


I voted for Rookee. Asian Tim has an awesome style, and his smoothness is amazing, but honestly his combo could have been thought up by any 4 or 5 month spinner in half an hour. I know Asian Time can think up some crazier moves, and this combo isn't it. Rookee isn't the smoothest spinner around, but he has got some great style and creativity. I, unlike you frisbee, do not judge videos solely on smoothness. I'm sorry you cannot appreciate the creativity in Rookee's combo, but many of us can, and your incomprehensible flaming gets you nowhere.

I can't explain to you what is so "great" about Rookee's combo if you cannot already see if for yourself, but I can understand why you would vote for Asian Tim over Rookee. You need to do the same and respect other people's opinions.

I voted Rookee

AT had a awsome vid but it didnt really appeal to me ya know. I am a bigger fan of old school (UPSB) style is all i have no problem with korean it just dosent appeal to me at much thats all Rookee's combo didnt SEEM that hard to be but idk still.....

Wow-wow, having a bad day?
I never said or referred to Asian Tim as a failure of UCPSB. And assure you it wasnt my intention to scoff at people who voted for AT.
I was just saying, that this battle is more like "what-style-is-the-best" voting. Like all the other battles Rookee had.

You seriously need to calm down. This is grave overkill.

I lol'd
keep this discussion simple
Asian Tim's combo rocked
Rookee's combo licked testicles.

I knew you'd be posting here. It was only a matter of time. Old-school hater.
Let's keep it as simple as it gets. Yet one more time. Just to stay on the track.
Youre the worst noobish noob on ucpsb.
You cant even argue. Now thats just totally disconnected.
I dont even believe my eyes. You even suck at hiding it.

Why is it that every battle rookee participates in results in a flame war over styles? Is rookee instigating it? No, some korean fanboy takes a little remark and blows it out of proportion. And you rookee, you definatly over react. People "spam" combos to get better at them, have you seen any of the pros over at JEB or any other board? That's what people hope to achieve, instead of being a 4 month prodigy using only innovative ideas, and a year later, becoming totally uncomfortable with my style and taking months to master a new combo.

And you say that you're trying to encourage "creative" styles and tricks. but When someone says one little mean thing about it, you asplode. Are you saying. "Hey guys check out this new trick I found, Invisible bakaround, here's how you do it" No, you just flame people over it, who's gonna respect that? Look at strat, he did a neobak 1.5 fall, that's pretty fuckin difficult, and I've hardly seen that, but nobody noticed it, did he go around flaming every one "FUCK YOU MOFOS THAT TOOK ME A YEAR TO FUGGIN MASTER AND NOBODYS DONE IT BEFORE!!11!1111ONEONEONE. Once again, no. He just discretley told someone.

k actually I don't know the details on the neo bak 1.5 thing but whatever, you guys are overreacting, and being very childish.

Get over it.

What the fuck are you talking about. I said "I don't see what is so hard about his combo. can someone please explain?", and boom you say I exploded on the korean style shit. frisbee is the one that attacked me first, and I don't take shit from people. I've learned all the things you've learned, but I put my own shit in my combos. I don't go and watch videos of other spinners and just copy whatever the fuck they're doing. I do what I think is fuckin' cool, and that's not being drowned out into the shit everyone around me is doing. Grow a brain, grow balls, go fuckin' explore the world, don't just wait for other people to do it for you.

EDIT: You want an example of a retard? Look at scott's post, fuckin' 10 year old.

The asplosion was referring to your defence against frisbee. And I already stated that these things start with some korean fanboy crap. And I'm a noob, saying you know what I know is not much lol.

Good for you, take pride in knowing that the stuff you come up with is original, instead of flaming people over it.

k, and at the end you're just spouting random flames lol.

And I said childish, not retarded, don't say that, it's not funny, and it doesn't make you look cool. Imagine if you got into a car crash right now, and had to live the rest of your life in a vegatative state, that's REALLY funny.

I am old school. I WAS TEH FIRST PERSON IN THE WORLD TO DO PEN SPINNING


"Youre the worst noobish noob on ucpsb."
Then you are?


And I didn't come here to argue. I was speaking my mind.
And I already posted here before you must have missed it or something.




ROFL AT VEGATIVE STATE!

First let me say that frisbee's post is hilarious.

Yes, AT's video was evidently Korean style, but nobody implied AT's combo was useless or spam. Stop trying to put words into people's mouths. Trick selection is not the only thing that defines the style, so when you say the "four main families of PS" aren't enough, it makes no sense. I-sonic is part of the sonic family, if you hadn't noticed. And it turns out rookee didn't even do an i-sonic, so good call there, you are quite the perceptive spinner...

It's funny how you say

after you've said:

So I guess saying AT's video is repetitive or not up to what he's usually capable of is "less real" than saying "his combo was better"? You seriously just played into what Yoah intially said. All you can say is that AT's combo is better but you can't properly back it up. You can only seem to bag on rookee's video for being what it is.

Lastly, nobody had even talked shit about any style until you decided to come here and childishly post this. That would be like me saying "Do you seriously devote yourself to smoothing out the same tricks over and over again and jack off to each others' 'Korean style' and shit on somebody who doesn't?"

I hoped I'd be able to see a battle without another one of these stupid arguments, but someone always has to mess it up. Thanks.

Damnit, why is it that threads like this always have to degrade to such random, senseless arguments?! Most of you aren't even talking about the videos anymore, but about what other people said, which was only occasionally about the videos.

Sometimes I think all poles should be vote only and no posts allowed... and simply put if this flaming and random shit continues thats what I'll do with this one. I don't really want to since its good for people to be able to argue one side or the other... but I'm just getting sick of every post attacking someone.

Both sides have merrits, both sides have made mistakes. Ok? Can we please move on with some peaceful actual discussion now?

"And I said childish, not retarded, don't say that, it's not funny, and it doesn't make you look cool. Imagine if you got into a car crash right now, and had to live the rest of your life in a vegatative state, that's REALLY funny."

"I am old school. I WAS TEH FIRST PERSON IN THE WORLD TO DO PEN SPINNING"

Point proven.

I don't know what to do with this poll :dunno:

it seems to me like its very difficult to rate "upsb style" because when you see something new, something unexpected, you won't know its true measure and you will tend to either under or overrate it.

voted rookie, I find it less "familiar"..

My combo isn't hard at all.

I do combos like these everyday. Nothing special here.

I guess people are just saying its hard cause the way i perform my tricks (my Style).

Finally, someone answered my question.

Rookee took this one.

Tim, you would've had it; you have it in you! But it didn't seem to me like you put too much thought into that combo. Maybe if you took an angle? If you would've focused more on the arounds in this combo, and just used the other "filler" tricks as linking, you probably would've won me over.
Rookee, again, I hate your camera... but I like your spinning. That I-Backaround (or whatever the kids are calling them these days) was nutz. I didn't see it coming. Keep bringing more of this shit to the table, brah. Seriously.

(Ahhh, all this talk about styles makes me want to battle someone, or come out with a member video. Who has seen me spin in the last 9/10 months?

NO ONE! haha :thumb:)






Now, everyone, stop discussing different pen spinning styles and other's levels of maturity. Whatever anyone says on here is their own opinion, and no matter how much you try, I honestly don't have faith that anyone will be able to change those opinions.

And it doesn't help that most of the discussion in this thread is arguments about totally different things.

Smooth reading comprehension. Point out to me where I said he did an i-sonic please. Its not even as difficult as an isonic, he held it in his fucking palm. Whoop de fuckin do. I guess that means he gets to complain about how asian tim's combo paled in comparison to his uber-difficult tricks.

So because there is a flaw in asian tim's combo, I'm a hypocrite? I just think ending combos with a bak looks poor, but guess what, combos are based on more than one trick! Thats why I dislike videos that seem to be built as a grounding for a single trick--oh wait, like the video i voted against!

To some people on the boards, I'm a korean fanboy, as i've been accused of in this thread; but actually, I just vote based on who I think demonstrated the most skill. That's what battling is supposed to be about, right? When i vote in a battle style has nothing to do with my decision; I look for style when I decide who my favorite spinners are. Battles are about who put the most time into crafting a difficult combo, and to me smoothness & execution trumps difficult tricks nearly every time.

As weak as it is that he left after losing one battle, I don't blame rookee for deciding to stop competing in ladder. Just look at the number of votes in this thread, vs the number in this one: http://z15.invisionfree.com/UCPSB/index.php?showtopic=8286
It's painfully obvious that people click on threads based on the spinners in the title, & probably vote based on that a lot too.

ps - will pay for cock

frisbee, your way of judging is fine, but I think you came too aggressively, trying to enforce your opinion unto others.

radical changes will almost never work in these situations and while you can demonstrate your points, it is never a good idea to insult the view of others.

FYI, I think rookee demonstrated more skills in this video. It was clearly thought of, planned in advance. It was well crafted and I can undertand the intention behind each segment of the combo.

On the other hand, Asian Tim's video appears to me as pure freestyle, a snapshot of an usual spinning session.

Therefore, I don't think you're correct when you talk about who put the most time in their combo.

And it's not like rookee's exeuction was incredibly poor. I thought it was decent enough to convey the intended message. (don't really like the pauses for "throwing" the pen back in the rev TAs). I can see the difficulty of Asian Tim's arounds, but it's not like the execution was flawless (see the error at 0:03).

To me it seems like rookee's video simply made the bigger impact, without compromising too much on execution.

PS: the reason why this battle has a lot of votes is because there's a lot of posts.

I never said & don't think that rookee's video is bad. Its a good combo, everything you said is valid; like I said, I just think asian tim's video is better. The argument isnt about what style's better, or methods of judging; I'm just fucking tired of the big "creativity" circlejerk/division between spinners, where anybody can be labeled a korean for no real reason & people appreciate style over skill.

edit: & saying there are a lot of votes because theres a lot of posts... i dont buy it for a second, sorry

ps - I think I'm lame.

well you said Asian Tim's video is because he showed more skills, isn't that right? I disagree on that point.

You're telling us that you don't care about style when voting. You're the fuckin' one that posted shit about style in the first place. No one talked about korean style, no one talked about UPSB style. Read all the posts up to your post, you are the only one in this whole fuckin' thread up to that point that said any shit about style. And now you're talking about not voting about style. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING. Seriously, if you think I'm leaving just because the loss, read through the thread, and look at all the people who gave reasons. About 70% of the people that gave reasons on why they voted voted for me. But hey? He's still winning, isn't that just a little bit suspicious?

EDIT: Ok, I didn't see Yoah's post before you, but he only stated truth.

Well thats fine, I'd be an idiot if i said you couldn't disagree based on that...

edit:
@rookee: What are you talking about? Yoah brought up korean style 2 posts before mine. And you're such a crybaby, why is it that every time you lose it's suspicious and you have to question it? Why is that I Frisbee must be such a dick about things?