Title: Hargreaves explains Canadian departure
Description: That's fine, it is a decision you make
alexintoronto - September 18, 2008 02:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
The interview ends with a segment about Hargreaves decision not to play for Canada that led to him eventually playing for England.
A couple of excerpts follow: “At the time, I was breaking into the Bayern team and the Canadian set-up was not well organized, it was not well run. I received a phone call to come join up in a camp and they basically threatened me if I didn't come. I just thought if they really wanted something they would have not gone about it that way, and I don't think it was handled really well. I was just really focused on breaking into the Bayern team and trying to be successful. I never realized the doors it would open for me with England, to represent England, where my dad is from, my granddad is from, and where all my dad's family is from and still live.”
Hargreaves was asked if the call he mentioned was from the Canadian Soccer Association.
The answer” “Yeah. They called me up – I was 18 or 19 - and they wanted me to go to camp in British Columbia. It was a 12-hour flight and I was in the middle of breaking into Bayern's first team, and I could not have gone away because it would have completely affected my entire career. I could not risk being away, especially just for a training camp, and they said, ‘If you don't come then that's that.' And I said, ‘That's fine, it is a decision you make and not me.' I don't think all the facts were known, but it's not important because I can only tell my side of it and why I did something and I cannot please everybody.” |
bgnewf - September 18, 2008 02:51 PM (GMT)
WHOREgreaves can go to hell.
I wonder if he travels still on his Canadian passport? If he does he should be ashamed of himself.
Of course the CSA is a shambles and of course a player choosing Canada when options like England and Holland are there is the harder path requiring more sacrifice and committment from the player. However it shows the integrity and character of a man when he steps up to do what is right not just for him but for the game and for the country he was born in.
He and De Guzman can spin this all they want, they are Canadians in name only.
luvgravy - September 18, 2008 02:54 PM (GMT)
Wahhh....gtf Whore.
That was the best part of seeing Bayern play Man U. at Soldier Field. I didn't care we were in like the 3rd row from the top, we booed Whoregraves unmercilessly the entire time he was on the field.
ThisIsAnfield - September 18, 2008 04:25 PM (GMT)
To summarize: Bayern Munich was much more important than Canada? I agree: yank his passport and deport all of the family he has here. They meant so much to him he mentioned them in the interview along with all his other Ingerlish fam.
Came here for a better life, no? Fuck off. I "feel English" too. When I loathe England for any reason at all. :lol:
I dislike this curly haired, skinny, ghost-looking, scum-fuck. If you don't care about the esteem you're held in back "home", why address it all the time?
100% pure mup. From now on I say we require all immigrants to sign a declaration: You assume a better quality of life, we assume you'll be grateful for the opportunity.
Did the interviewer ask him what he thinks the reasoning is behind why the English will never accept him?! Loser...
north york - September 18, 2008 04:44 PM (GMT)
He made the right move plain and simple. Yes, it does suck for us tremendously not to have him on the squad but the man had a career decision to make and he clearly made the right one.
davidcfs - September 18, 2008 04:51 PM (GMT)
The big hole in that theory is I am sure after the fact Canada would have invited him back in but instead he was sending out his resume to FA's all over europe. :|
alexintoronto - September 18, 2008 05:28 PM (GMT)
1 person, in 1 phone call made him snub 30 million others. How logical is that?
bfq - September 18, 2008 05:31 PM (GMT)
I agree with Kris, at that stage in his career making a name for himself at Bayern Munich would be much more important than playing for your country. And by the path his club career has taken it seems like it was a good decision. Maybe the CSA wrote him off after that then he made a decision to play for England. I really don't care who he plays for and it's time for people to get over it. The choice was made years ago.
north york - September 18, 2008 05:57 PM (GMT)
I remember readign about him when he was 16 and how the association was looking to have him capped early on but the quotes from the coaching staff made it seem as if they were tip-toeing very carefully. Something must've happened at the top of chain (perhaps Pipe or a national teams manager) must've irked him and the family off.
Threatening players with some set of sanctions would not surprise me one bit and sounds like something the CSA would have done. Hargreaves is now a multi-millionaire with a gorgeous chick and a place at one of the world's best clubs.... guys the man made the right choices to be where he is at now.
ThisIsAnfield - September 18, 2008 06:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (north york @ Sep 18 2008, 01:57 PM) |
| where he is at now. |
He just better not come crawling back to where he was. :D
I'm not saying I would'nt have done the same, who knows, I just don't understand why it's periodically brought up to piss us off.lol
One day we will be a great footballing nation and all of this will be trivial. What we need to do tho is start fielding Brazillians like the Russians and those middle eastern clubs, then cap them. I mean, no one would ever notice because it's not like there are any distinctly "Canadian" last names.
Except "from225" of course.lol :lol:
FreekAce - September 18, 2008 06:20 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Sep 18 2008, 02:15 PM) |
just don't understand why it's periodically brought up to piss us off.lol |
i was about to say, havent seen one of these threads in a while, long overdue.
as to the topic, think its clear what my opinions are on these matters.
SeanKeay - September 18, 2008 06:25 PM (GMT)
I just wrote a big long winded post, and it got killed... so all i have to say is this....
If you dont wanna play for the country you grew up in fine, but dont go on national tv and tell us all that you will play for us. You lying cunt..
That is all...
I hope you choke on your bank account
ThisIsAnfield - September 18, 2008 06:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FreekAce @ Sep 18 2008, 02:20 PM) |
as to the topic, think its clear what my opinions are on these matters. |
You're the one expediting these export bastards!lol ;)
Seanny, that bank account jibe just made my afternoon! :lol:
J15 - September 18, 2008 07:05 PM (GMT)
As far as I'm concerned Hargreaves, De Guzman, Steve Vitoria and that useless "Greek" goalkeeper can go to hell.
IMO public policy should be that: You don't play for the NT and you declare for another nations NT on the basis of ethnicity or relatives, then your citizenship is rescinded and you can fuck off when you want to return to Canada in your retirement so you can leech off our higher standard of living and health care system.
Any Canadian, by birth, citizenship or otherwise has an obligation to represent this country when called upon, regardless of how fucked up the CSA is, you were happy enough to use our facilities, programs and infrastructure, but you're not happy enough to done our countries jersey.
Amazingly if any of these fools played hockey, they'd be scrambling to play for Team Canada.
ThisIsAnfield - September 18, 2008 07:18 PM (GMT)
On that note, why don't we or the Yanks "steal" hockey players from other nations? If they were somehow better than the lot we have to select from, that is...
Which they're probably not. <_<
mtroads - September 18, 2008 07:29 PM (GMT)
This has happened. Petr Nedved has represented Canada on occasion.
rpearce76 - September 18, 2008 08:12 PM (GMT)
I'm using up some of my alloted swear words today for this.
The swiss stole a canadian hockey player who wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of cracking our line up and he scored 2 goals(I think) in the olympics.
That little ratty ass cunt's name is Paul DiPietro. If I ever meet the prick I will surely reach in his throat and pull out his lungs with my hands. Any of the douchebags running in the election right now would have my vote based on the fact of denouncing his right to live in Canada or ever step foot here again.
Fuck you DiPietro, you lousy cunt.
J15 - September 18, 2008 09:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Sep 18 2008, 03:18 PM) |
On that note, why don't we or the Yanks "steal" hockey players from other nations? If they were somehow better than the lot we have to select from, that is...
Which they're probably not. <_< |
Yanks do steal hockey players from other nations...Brett Hull. Hull's ego told him he was good enough for the Canadian Men's NT, however the coach begged to differ, as do many people who knew of Hull's skills at that time. Hull then happily bolted to Team USA. Fuck you Brett Hull, Fuck you.
Hargreaves leaving to play for England would be equivalent to that (drunk) Dany Heatley playing for Germany or Steve Nash playing for South Africa. The connection of those players to that country is so remote, it would not even make sense. Yet Hargreaves justifies it with his own idiot reasoning.
J15 - September 18, 2008 09:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (rpearce76 @ Sep 18 2008, 04:12 PM) |
I'm using up some of my alloted swear words today for this.
The swiss stole a canadian hockey player who wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of cracking our line up and he scored 2 goals(I think) in the olympics.
That little ratty ass cunt's name is Paul DiPietro. If I ever meet the prick I will surely reach in his throat and pull out his lungs with my hands. Any of the douchebags running in the election right now would have my vote based on the fact of denouncing his right to live in Canada or ever step foot here again.
Fuck you DiPietro, you lousy cunt. |
Numerous Wop Douchebags from Canada (born here, raised here, played AHL/NHL here) donned the Azzurri colours to represent Italia in Olympic hockey. They too had no chance of making team Canada, nonetheless they can fuck off. That being said at least the wops are consistent, they'd ditch Canadian soccer AND Canadian hockey, our weakest and strongest National sports.
Franky - September 18, 2008 11:22 PM (GMT)
i still find it pretty sad that countries like England and the Dutch need players that come from Canada :blink:
it is like Hockey Canada looking to Afghanistan for players.
north york - September 18, 2008 11:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (J15 @ Sep 18 2008, 02:05 PM) |
As far as I'm concerned Hargreaves, De Guzman, Steve Vitoria and that useless "Greek" goalkeeper can go to hell.
IMO public policy should be that: You don't play for the NT and you declare for another nations NT on the basis of ethnicity or relatives, then your citizenship is rescinded and you can fuck off when you want to return to Canada in your retirement so you can leech off our higher standard of living and health care system.
Any Canadian, by birth, citizenship or otherwise has an obligation to represent this country when called upon, regardless of how fucked up the CSA is, you were happy enough to use our facilities, programs and infrastructure, but you're not happy enough to done our countries jersey.
Amazingly if any of these fools played hockey, they'd be scrambling to play for Team Canada. |
The vitoria thing is still beyond me as I do not see him ever playing for the Portuguese national team, ever. Daniel Fernandes though will be a top keeper as he is already starting at Bochum and is Portugal's 3rd string keeper now that Carlos was smart enough to kick Ricardo to the ocean.
But your comment if this was hockey they'd be scrambling to play here, so what? If it was baseball they'd be playing in States big deal. Too many romantics out there forget that this is a business, a very very lucrative business and with the way our organization is handled I'm not shocked by nor angry at anyone who is abroad trying to achieve their dreams.
Rudi - September 19, 2008 06:04 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (north york @ Sep 18 2008, 07:57 PM) |
| QUOTE (J15 @ Sep 18 2008, 02:05 PM) | As far as I'm concerned Hargreaves, De Guzman, Steve Vitoria and that useless "Greek" goalkeeper can go to hell.
IMO public policy should be that: You don't play for the NT and you declare for another nations NT on the basis of ethnicity or relatives, then your citizenship is rescinded and you can fuck off when you want to return to Canada in your retirement so you can leech off our higher standard of living and health care system.
Any Canadian, by birth, citizenship or otherwise has an obligation to represent this country when called upon, regardless of how fucked up the CSA is, you were happy enough to use our facilities, programs and infrastructure, but you're not happy enough to done our countries jersey.
Amazingly if any of these fools played hockey, they'd be scrambling to play for Team Canada. |
The vitoria thing is still beyond me as I do not see him ever playing for the Portuguese national team, ever. Daniel Fernandes though will be a top keeper as he is already starting at Bochum and is Portugal's 3rd string keeper now that Carlos was smart enough to kick Ricardo to the ocean.
But your comment if this was hockey they'd be scrambling to play here, so what? If it was baseball they'd be playing in States big deal. Too many romantics out there forget that this is a business, a very very lucrative business and with the way our organization is handled I'm not shocked by nor angry at anyone who is abroad trying to achieve their dreams.
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Their dreams of playing for another fucking country other than their own?
Get real.
north york - September 19, 2008 08:13 AM (GMT)
Their dreams of going to play at the most elite tournaments, to make the big money and to have the RIGHT to choose where they'd like to live and ply their trade. Now stop crying and go find a new kid that'll play here
GaryJambo - September 19, 2008 12:00 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (north york @ Sep 19 2008, 04:13 AM) |
| Their dreams of going to play at the most elite tournaments, to make the big money and to have the RIGHT to choose where they'd like to live and ply their trade. Now stop crying and go find a new kid that'll play here |
Fuck them with a rusty chainsaw, mate. Bring on the next kid, but I don't dismiss anyone's loathing for these leeches. (See also: McGeady, A.)
busanbhoy - September 19, 2008 01:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (GaryJambo @ Sep 19 2008, 08:00 AM) |
| QUOTE (north york @ Sep 19 2008, 04:13 AM) | | Their dreams of going to play at the most elite tournaments, to make the big money and to have the RIGHT to choose where they'd like to live and ply their trade. Now stop crying and go find a new kid that'll play here |
Fuck them with a rusty chainsaw, mate. Bring on the next kid, but I don't dismiss anyone's loathing for these leeches. (See also: McGeady, A.)
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well wait, that's different :ph43r:
:P
tDoB - September 19, 2008 01:28 PM (GMT)
If he wanted to fulfill his dreams he would have played for Wales. B-)
Seriously though, I feel dually fucked by this guy. He was going to play for the Welsh U-21 team and then pulled out at the last moment as England approached him. He spent a 3 friggin years in the Welsh youth setup.
Hargreaves went the more glamorous route which I think is silly as if he is good enough, and he is, he could be playining for the Afghani national team and still running out for the best club team ever Saturday.
ThisIsAnfield - September 19, 2008 01:33 PM (GMT)
I think it is different. In McGeady's case it's the tic's fault, not the player or the national setup.
If it's a completely lateral move like that one, who really cares? :P
Rudi - September 19, 2008 05:59 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (north york @ Sep 19 2008, 04:13 AM) |
| Their dreams of going to play at the most elite tournaments, to make the big money and to have the RIGHT to choose where they'd like to live and ply their trade. Now stop crying and go find a new kid that'll play here |
Not crying, but I think you're being ridiculously short-sighted with this and your argument is full of holes.
He was already playing for an elite team (Bayern) in elite tournaments (he won the Champions League with them) making the big money.
Choosing where to live and ply one's trade has nothing to do with it. He chose to live in Germany and ply his trade there, no one in Canada stopped him. You're obviously referring to choosing a country, in which case why bother having national teams at all, if everyone is just going to whore it up for the highest bidder.
He could be a bigger man and try to use his considerable talent to help a struggling soccer nation to its greatest heights, or he could choose the easy route and go to the country of his father that he never lived in. Obviously he chose the coward's way out after jerking around not one, but two other nations, and being the biggest whore he could possibly be.
I'm sure if he had some tenuous Brazilian ties he'd be playing for the yellow and blue right now, because that's the type of character he, and others of his ilk that came from this great land, is.
zacRWE - September 19, 2008 06:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rudi @ Sep 19 2008, 12:59 PM) |
| QUOTE (north york @ Sep 19 2008, 04:13 AM) | | Their dreams of going to play at the most elite tournaments, to make the big money and to have the RIGHT to choose where they'd like to live and ply their trade. Now stop crying and go find a new kid that'll play here |
Not crying, but I think you're being ridiculously short-sighted with this and your argument is full of holes.
He was already playing for an elite team (Bayern) in elite tournaments (he won the Champions League with them) making the big money.
Choosing where to live and ply one's trade has nothing to do with it. He chose to live in Germany and ply his trade there, no one in Canada stopped him. You're obviously referring to choosing a country, in which case why bother having national teams at all, if everyone is just going to whore it up for the highest bidder.
He could be a bigger man and try to use his considerable talent to help a struggling soccer nation to its greatest heights, or he could choose the easy route and go to the country of his father that he never lived in. Obviously he chose the coward's way out after jerking around not one, but two other nations, and being the biggest whore he could possibly be.
I'm sure if he had some tenuous Brazilian ties he'd be playing for the yellow and blue right now, because that's the type of character he, and others of his ilk that came from this great land, is.
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100% spot on. End this thread, WHOREgreaves is dead to me and dead to Canada.
bgnewf - September 19, 2008 06:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rudi @ Sep 19 2008, 01:59 PM) |
| ...He could be a bigger man and try to use his considerable talent to help a struggling soccer nation to its greatest heights, or he could choose the easy route and go to the country of his father that he never lived in. Obviously he chose the coward's way out after jerking around not one, but two other nations, and being the biggest whore he could possibly be.... |
Please close this thread a down moderator, I don't anything else needs to be said here about this mercenary.
Rudi should have the final word on this fucker.
Well said.
Rammer - September 19, 2008 08:19 PM (GMT)
Why are we talking about this British footballer, in the Canada Boards.
busanbhoy - September 19, 2008 08:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rammer @ Sep 19 2008, 04:19 PM) |
| Why are we talking about this British footballer, in the Canada Boards. |
Well Said mate!
bgnewf - September 19, 2008 08:45 PM (GMT)
He is symbolic of the problems the sport at the highest levels continues to have in Canada is why I think we still talk about him.
That and he is trying to rehabilitate himself by bitching about why he made the decisions he made.
Fuck him :007:
socceronly - September 20, 2008 01:06 AM (GMT)
I am so proud I had the mental fortitude not to read the article.
My zen state induced by the cathartic events in Montreal is undisturbed.
ThisIsAnfield - November 11, 2008 07:42 PM (GMT)
Whore out for season. Fuck his career.
Nice. B-)
Rudi - November 11, 2008 07:44 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Nov 11 2008, 02:42 PM) |
Whore out for season. Fuck his career.
Nice. B-) |

Fuck Whoregreaves, I hope he never plays again.
Cunt.
bgnewf - November 11, 2008 07:54 PM (GMT)
Succint and to the point Rudi. Well said.
Hope the cunt never plays footie ever again, and for that matter never travels on a Canadian passport. If he has one he should be man enough to burn it as he does not deserve to have anything to do with the maple leaf.
SeanKeay - November 11, 2008 08:53 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rudi @ Nov 11 2008, 02:44 PM) |
| QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Nov 11 2008, 02:42 PM) | Whore out for season. Fuck his career.
Nice. B-) |
 Fuck Whoregreaves, I hope he never plays again. Cunt. |
1 more to that pile... we are small induviduals for saying this, but fuck who cares!
ThisIsAnfield - July 31, 2009 09:32 PM (GMT)
Didn't know where else to put this, but I've never seen it and felt it needed sharing:
Define precarious:
RexdaleTaxiFC - August 11, 2009 02:17 PM (GMT)
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial...its-not-michaelfrom the linked article:
"On the international stage,
unaided by being born in Canada and having become the player he is with England's rivals in Germany, he has regularly been overlooked and underrated since his 2001 debut under Sven-Goran Eriksson. The fact so many of his 41 caps have been substitute appearances in a left-wing role tells a story of its own."
I guess Steve Thomas was "unaided" by being born in England too...