Well this is the fourth time I am attempting to make this game. Being the first using the RPG Maker 95 and a system crash that left me with nothing. Then i tried again with 2000 and this being the only time that I had made some real progress. I would say that I had gotten to perhaps 30 % of the game finished before I lost every thing yet again in a system failure. Again I tried as soon as I had my pc upgraded and didn't get very far with it, mainly due to lack of intrest. Then finally with the 2k3 system I again made some progress. LinoG had aided me in making some custom pixil art. I had also at this time begin making my own items, character sets, ect. Then I met a girl. lol. Fast forward 4 years and I am now married to that girl an a father. So now she does all the cooking and cleaning while i mess around. I got me plenty of time. J/K.. Mostly.

Anyhow I was working on this game since 97. An I have nothing but some custom content to show for it. So I am going for it again and I'll be posting updates as i make progress. any suggestions and Ideas would be great. The game is going to be your Epic sized classic RPG. Oh an remember I am really rusty so if there is any new fangled stuff out there since i last gave this an attempt ( 04 ) i may not know what the hell your talking about.

what custom systems is it gonna have

I'm not sure, I think I am going to just stick with the defult system for now and once I get oiled, maybe then i'll be able to decide what to do. Besides I dont remember how to script anything anymore. Luckley I still have a few tuts from RPG2k.Net saved for a rainy day. But as for just making scripts on my own, I am SOL.

Though if you have any useful ideas, I am more then willing to listen.

An Epic Quest would be a better title.

lol, thanks. That was a typo, it is An Epic Quest.

As a matter of an update, I did manage to dig up all my old stuff and I will be going through it today to see what is worth saving and what to throw away. It'll take some time due to the fact that there is a tun of it.

Now i had found some very strange things while browsing through my collection. A had found character sets for Belsammael, Breekan, LinoG, Patrick, Don & Kovala all "present" & past members of the community. I had also found the "Offical" Midi for RPG2k.Net . Some neat stuff, anyhow if anyone if looking for some of this old stuff let me know and i'll hook you up.

I'm glad your enthusiasm for game creation hasn't gone away!

While I might say change the name of the game at one point (it is just a little too obvious) what I would like to know is what's the 'hook' of the game?

ahh, good question my friend. Well this goes back to my role playing days, an where i was inspired to make a rpg in the first place. My D&D campaign was called "An Epic Quest" followed by many adventures that had run in the seires. like "A Tale of Two Harts", "The Meeting", "A New Era", ect. Anyhow the base game concept is your classic RPG plotline with some new additions to better fit in this modern day.

To give you a basic outline, that is all I have at this point. My orignal script had been long lost but a good deal of it is still in my head.

Now like I way saying, the plot would be focused around two characters, a dude and a chick. It will be a love story of sorts with alot of ass kicking in between. The main premess is that an "Evil Empire" has taken control of the world. An over the many years the people had lost hope and live under the heals of the rich and famous.

A small rebel group stationed in a country that too is controlled by the empire are the only people doing anything to try and stop the machine. The female of our story is a member of this group. While the male is a soldier of a secret program ran by the empire to create super soldiers. Anyhow one thing leads to another and the two meet up and band together along with other peeps they meet along th way.

So it has all of your "classic" RPG needs and of course i am going to be throwing a butt load of curveballs and side-quests and sub-plots.

What do you think?

I assumed it was a comedy game because of the name. It's really terrible. If you want to take the game seriously, you need to change it before you go any further into production.

With that being said, the plot's pretty cliche. You need to be careful you can execute it in an intriguing way or you're going to lose people after a few minutes.

The "super soldier" idea is so overdone I don't even know what to say to it.

Well you have to remember that this is a game that I came up with 10 years ago. So it is by far outdated and many themes had been done to death but I am going to take a new approach with the general idea I have for it.

The plot on the other hand that I explained earlyer is just and base, it goes alot deeper. I didn't want to go too into detail about it cause i dont wanna ruin but but I am liking your input. So I'll try my best to give you a better idea of whats going on.

As I had said earlier, An "Evil Empire" rules most of the world with an Iron fist, a small group of rebels are all that stands in their way from true total domanation. They created these "Super Soldiers" to hunt and kill these rebels. Thats the simple baseline, this is where it gets deeper... Now think of the Departed and Matrix meet Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy 6.. I am going for that "What the fuc...?" type story.

The underlining plot is that will make this game, not the simple baseline. Thats more or less the introduction, the how ( as in how they come together ) an the why, witch is much more fun ( as in why the empire is doing this ). Again because I like your input an I wanna hear what else you gotta say i'll give you a little taste so I can hear what you think of the general idea.

The Empire is seeking some sort of magical item that grants the user ultimate power ( Been done before, I know but it works ) The rebels are protecting this item. There is great unrest with in the rebel base because some believe that they should weild the item to fight off the empire, but tbis is a problem because the item doesnt quite do what they think. As for the empire, they already infultrated their ranks and have paid off a number of people as infomations. Kind of like a spy vs spy deal going on because the rebels had done the very same. All the while the Emperor whom is believed to behind all this is in fact long dead. It is a banished Lesser-God who wishes to make his return to the world and once again make war with the Greater-Gods to rule over the universe. The Emperor whom has been long dead is just a empty shell used by Cleric of this Evil God and seeks this item because it is in all reality the "Soul" of this Lesser-God, the source of his power. They also need the "Soul" of the person whom had banished him. being that this had taken place long ago, someone in their bloodline works just as well. I am sure you can see where this is going. There is more underlining plot twists and such but I think this is more then enough for a general idea.

I would really like to hear what you think Frozen. Oh an what do you think would be a better name for the game cause thats all i got at this point.

Also, this game is going to be rated "AO" cause its going to be just that badass and filled with all sorts of "Adult Subjects" I plain on making a M rated version aswell for those who wish for a more toned down version of the game.

Even if it's ten years old, that's no excuse for pushing more cliches onto the market. It sounds like you want to make this game just because it's ten years old, not because you honestly think it's going to be a good game.

Once again, an evil empire and a small group of rebels are so overdone. The supersoldiers just sound like Terminators to me. You should be going more for the "Wow, that was an amazing experience" type story, rather than "What the fuc...?" Great stories can be strange, but they can't depend on that.

Now, you mention the underlying plot is the high point of the game. That may very well be true. I've written stories with very simple outlines and deep plot development. However, from what I've seen, I'm not terribly confident you've come up with enough original ideas to work with.

The god-related plot comes out of nowhere. I like the idea that the Item of Ultimate Power is a part of a god's soul, but are you sure you can present it in a believable way? I mean, the plot sounds very political... until you throw in this battle between gods.

As for the name, I'm convinced "Giant Green Space Penis" would be a better title. Really, An Epic Quest is about as bad as you can get. An Epic Quest would be great for a parody in the same vein as Airplane! or Scary Movie. Take the title from a line in the dialogue or something. I don't know enough about the specifics of the story or the characters to make a good suggestion.

The title is really that bad? I always liked it.... O

k how about this one, i'll start with the base plot and then give you the subplot. Now this script does have some of the same from the above but it is used in different context. Again another political game with cosmic properties.

There are two kingdoms with a very bloody history, the first being an open republic while the other an empire. Both stand for different beliefs and way of life. At some point during this bloody war something strange had happen in a remote part of the world that had caused both sides to call a truce, for the time being. This truce had lasted over 100 years so far, an the citizens of both kingdoms really dont understand why but they dare not question it. A few small political skirmishes and assassinations had been attemped but other then that no all out war.

Ok thats the baseline.... Now with the subplot.

The strange event was kept from the public because a cosmic being fell from the heavens on that day. This cosmic being had waged war in the heavens and been struck down. He spoke to those who had been present that day ( a few high ranking solidiers from both kingdoms ) an explained what was going on in the stars above.

A war between the forces of Darkness and Light wage war across the universe, their final battle will take place here on the world as we all know it. Though something strange had happen during the war. A rebellion had taken place and many from the light had fallen from grace and now live their lives out here on earth all the while the war goes on above, this was unheard of till now. He then goes on to explain that this world was created as the final battle ground for this war and both kingdoms represent on side of the battle. At some point messangers from both sides will contact their respective side and offer an gift. The gift is the "lifeforce" of the warring angels and demons to be fused with the X amount of chosen children. This gift will give these childern gifts to be used in battle.

So over all the world was created to be a reflection of what was going on in the universe. Then the two forces will take their sides on earth and do battle with the help of those whom live there. These children are born and raised as a sort of soilder and tought the ways of battle for the upcomming unpleasent future. Now the curve ball is the rebellion, those beings too sneek in and give forth their lifeforce. These being believed that using this world was a battle ground and ruining the peoples was of life is wrong so they had been banished. They are small in number but they will attempt to defuse and or protect the world. Both sides hates these beings, but they are hidden in their masses an there is no way of telling whom is whom till they reach adulthood.

anyhow i am sure you can see where this is going, the kids grow up. They join the side they were destined too join and now there are a few "ace in the holes" whom are fair game to both sides. Both will attempt to have them join their war or they may created a force of their own and disrupt the whole thing. Only problem is that once they become one with a human they forget and have the choise to do what they wish so no one knows what going to happen. You follow the life of a few of these childern in their search for the truth and what this is all about.

so what do you think about this idea ?

Well it's already looking better, but I still have problems with it.

Technically speaking, a imperial system of government isn't a kingdom; it's an empire.

Also, you say that there's a bloody war going on... but later on in the paragraph you say it's just a couple of skirmishes and assassinations. Completely different ends of the spectrum.

Did you purposely make your characters all over a hundred years old? You say the powers were given to children, but earlier you say that the truce has been on for a hundred years. If that's intentional, that's fine.

The War in Heaven is such an unimaginable situation that it's found its way into books and comics and video games and every other form of media for as long as those forms of media have existed. If you can pull it off right, and make it interesting, then I support it.

Since you mention a rebellion both on Earth and in Heaven, it would be interesting if you mirrored the plots. Not word for word, but have a "history is repeating itself" theme going on. Also, since you have Light and Dark so defined, you should explore the natural duality of it. I'd even, for example, place the Gates of Hell on the ocean's floor, and the Gates of Heaven in the clouds. Maybe have a cult religion to supplement the political plot, one that uses symbols similar to the yin-yang. It's not my story, but those are just some suggestions to make your player think twice about the game.

It's looking better, but you're still really bordering on the cliche line. The trick is to tread carefully on the edge.

well the program to place the "spirits" into the childern didn't happen for more then 60+ years later due to the lack of technology an all that. An your remark on the rebellion on both planes is just what i am going for. Different reason but some how linked in the end. An i know both the Republic and Empire are not "Kingdoms" I jus called them that, it'll be fixed in the final phase of the script of course. An the battle in heaven, I have a whole nothing take on it that i dont think it has been done before and It is sort of hard to explain. Once i get things smoothed over i'll be able to better explain my idea. It should be some good stuff, i do need to work on it some more so I dont fall into the cliche death trap. Once I get it a little more defined ill post it up.